The Mariah Owners Club

The Mariah Owners Club (http://www.mariahownersclub.com/forum/)
-   Original Mariah Talk (http://www.mariahownersclub.com/forum/original-mariah-talk/)
-   -   porpoising z210 (http://www.mariahownersclub.com/forum/original-mariah-talk/8224-porpoising-z210.html)

jsewall82 06-04-2013 03:07 PM

porpoising z210
 
Anybody with a z210 have an issue with porpoising? Took the boat out on sat and couldn't get it to stop. Didnt matter where people sat or trim, it would still do it. It was windy out but didnt seem to bother other boats on the water.

mikeyt 06-04-2013 03:52 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Are you sure that your outdrive is actually trimming properly?

If it is then you may have to do what most others do who have this problem. Install a set of Smart Tabs.

jsewall82 06-04-2013 05:42 PM

porpoising z210
 
It was trimming correctly. Even had the other half operate it while I watched it.

rhinoz 06-04-2013 07:41 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Read somewhere that someone had a "whalefin" on the outdrive and it was loose causing the up and down motion, wasn't loose by much but enough where trim wasn't making that much difference to counteract it but got the porpoise effect at any speed...shot in the dark I guess

jsewall82 06-04-2013 08:31 PM

porpoising z210
 
No fin on the out drive. Guess ill look into the tabs

John Rush 06-04-2013 09:04 PM

porpoising z210
 
Tabs are well worth the money, added them over the winter months and have been enjoying them the last 10 or so trips out. Great investments. And they look cool when plained out!

mikeyt 06-04-2013 09:55 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhinoz (Post 44813)
Read somewhere that someone had a "whalefin" on the outdrive and it was loose causing the up and down motion, wasn't loose by much but enough where trim wasn't making that much difference to counteract it but got the porpoise effect at any speed...shot in the dark I guess

Anyone who installed a whale tail on their Mariah outdrive deserves to have it porpoise. :mad:

jsewall82 06-05-2013 12:03 AM

porpoising z210
 
I have seen the tutorial on the tabs on here. What kind/size would be a good start? I'm away at a conference with the army so have limited Internet to research. Would like to order them ASAP.

mikeyt 06-05-2013 02:51 AM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jsewall82 (Post 44825)
I have seen the tutorial on the tabs on here. What kind/size would be a good start? I'm away at a conference with the army so have limited Internet to research. Would like to order them ASAP.

Your boat can handle the 80# Smart Tabs SX or the Mobster tabs fairly easily. You can check out the full information and videos on them here. If you buy from them tell 'em the Mariah Owners Club sent you!

rhinoz 06-05-2013 12:36 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyt (Post 44834)
Your boat can handle the 80# Smart Tabs SX or the Mobster tabs fairly easily. You can check out the full information and videos on them here. If you buy from them tell 'em the Mariah Owners Club sent you!

#80's Nauticus Trim Tabs Sx Composite 9.5"X10"-80*, says $129.99 but when you add them to the cart it drops to $99.99...I ordered a set of 60's for myself this morning :)

Andy b 06-05-2013 04:36 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyt (Post 44819)
Anyone who installed a whale tail on their Mariah outdrive deserves to have it porpoise. :mad:

Oh dear! there goes Mikey's blood pressure again! :rolleyes:

Bit of a pet peeve aye Mikey :rolling_laugh:

ColoradoDiablo 06-05-2013 05:01 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
I agree with him wholeheartedly!!

mikeyt 06-05-2013 07:27 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhinoz (Post 44843)
#80's Nauticus Trim Tabs Sx Composite 9.5"X10"-80*, says $129.99 but when you add them to the cart it drops to $99.99...I ordered a set of 60's for myself this morning :)

I think that you will find the 80 lb arms too stiff for your 180. Most of the rest of us did...

Andy b 06-05-2013 07:58 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
My 60's run on the middle holes,
unless I know it's gona be a bit rough or I have a boat full.
On their hardest setting they have there own roosters so they must still be digging in ;)
And I loose a good 5 or more MPH off my top end if I forget to reset them!
I know you won't need 80's on a 180

voodoo 06-05-2013 11:04 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
I had a 16 footer that I swear had a ground up porpoise glassed into the hull.
My thumb got tired from constant trimming with limited results.
Smart tabs did all they claimed and better.
Company support during purchase and install was first rate.
Can't praise them enough.

nglauer 06-06-2013 03:16 AM

Re: porpoising z210
 
I have the 60's on my Diablo 180 with the 3.0L. I can't remember how I have mine set - but they put the boat up on plane instantly without nailing the throttle. I absolutely love them.. but the best part is when i'm heading back to the boat ramp (which is a long stretch of no wake area where you have to "creep" FOREVER. The Smart tabs made me go from looking like a drunk driver (had to constantly work the wheel left to right to stay semi straight).. to a perfect driver. The boat tracks perfectly straight at super low speeds now. Also, I did not lose any MPH with my install (checked it before and after running my 14.5x17p Michigan 3 blade on my GPS). However, I will test it out again..once I swap over to my 19p (which I need to get rebuilt).

jsewall82 06-06-2013 12:33 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Just so I get this right before I order them, I need the 80# ones for my z210 correct?

Andy b 06-06-2013 02:32 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nglauer (Post 44887)
Also, I did not lose any MPH with my install (checked it before and after running my 14.5x17p Michigan 3 blade on my GPS). However, I will test it out again..once I swap over to my 19p (which I need to get rebuilt).

I don't notice any loss with them set on the middle hole. it's just if I've got them set on the hardest setting (furthest hole out) they dig in and slow the boat.....a bit ;)
mind you if I've got them set hard then i'm either loaded or it's choppy out so i'm gona be slower anyway :rolleyes:

ColoradoDiablo 06-06-2013 03:08 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
jsewall82,

Yes the 80lb tabs are what your after.
You have 5 different settings to play with for downforce adjustment. :)

jarwiebe 06-07-2013 02:31 AM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jsewall82 (Post 44800)
Anybody with a z210 have an issue with porpoising? Took the boat out on sat and couldn't get it to stop. Didnt matter where people sat or trim, it would still do it. It was windy out but didnt seem to bother other boats on the water.

I had the 80 lb tabs installed on my Z210 before I took it out for the first time and can't compare the with/without tabs, but I can say that I have never had it porpoising in the 60 hours that I've put on the clock. I usually run with them on the middle setting.

mikeyt 06-07-2013 02:43 AM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy b (Post 44862)
Bit of a pet peeve aye Mikey :rolling_laugh:

Definitely.... those things are good for tin cans with outboards on the tail and that's it. :thumbdown:

nglauer 06-07-2013 03:02 AM

Re: porpoising z210
 
http://www.instablogsimages.com/1/20...itle_39ojm.jpg

I don't think this Tin can has a whale tail...

mikeyt 06-07-2013 03:04 AM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Doesn't have an outboard either....

ColoradoDiablo 06-07-2013 03:04 AM

Re: porpoising z210
 
:rolling_laugh:I gotta see it even float!!

nglauer 06-07-2013 05:32 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyt (Post 44978)
Doesn't have an outboard either....

It has lot's of thing's mounted "outboard" lol. I would have loved to of seen this in the water!!!!

rhinoz 06-07-2013 06:54 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Got my trim tabs today, they're going on the boat tonight as soon as I get out of work and then off to the lake late tomorrow with no porpoise effect :)

jsewall82 06-07-2013 06:58 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
i ordered mine yesterday. not sure when I will get them, hope its before I head down to the Suwanee river

mikeyt 06-07-2013 07:48 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
:band:

Way down upon de Swanee Ribber,
Far, far away,
Dere's wha my heart is turning ebber,
Dere's where de old folks play.


oops sorry 'bout that. :)

jsewall82 06-07-2013 07:51 PM

porpoising z210
 
Ha ha. Family has property on it so its free place stay right on the water.

nglauer 06-07-2013 07:59 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Hope I don't insult anyone.. but as a reminder

Measure ten times, not twice... this is a Mariah!!!..... you may need a small thing of tissues - cause drilling her may make you cry or have cold sweats.

If you have a Whale Tail - quietly remove it before posting "before photo's" to the forum.. or moving onto the next step. Also, you don't want to be "that guy"... the one responsible for giving MikeyT a stroke, high blood pressure, or any other number of debilitating boat picture induced coma's.

Mask the area to be drilled to help stop any spidering of the gelcoat. - also, it's sort of like blind folding your boat so she doesn't know whats about to happen until it's already over.

Reverse your drill and run it slowly allowing the backside of the bit to burn through the exterior gelcoat - then turn the drill the right direction to drill the actual hole (if that made sense lol). Run both directions at a mild pace and check the shavings for moisture etc. (one of my holes actually had water run out... this may be normal but I panicked immediately )

Have some 3M marine adhesive handy (just don't buy a semi expired tube of it like i did - It wouldn't come out with my gun, so I had to slice the side of it and dip it out.. man was that messy.. but it worked and was only $2.00 for a big tube of 4200 and 5200)

Have a pair of pliers, a flat screw driver, a small handsaw, a utility knife, and some stainless staples and a stapler handy in case you have to go all Dexter and cut back any of the bunks on your trailer. (I had to cut two of my bunks so they were flush with the transom - if not they may have interfered with the Smart Tab's when loading/unloading).

Also, have a cooler with your favorite beverage on standbye - not because the installation will take long... but because you'll want to have a cold one while you admire your handy work.. and possibly one of the single best mods you'll ever do to your beloved Mariah!

rhinoz 06-08-2013 01:48 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nglauer (Post 45009)
Hope I don't insult anyone.. but as a reminder

Measure ten times, not twice... this is a Mariah!!!..... you may need a small thing of tissues - cause drilling her may make you cry or have cold sweats.

If you have a Whale Tail - quietly remove it before posting "before photo's" to the forum.. or moving onto the next step. Also, you don't want to be "that guy"... the one responsible for giving MikeyT a stroke, high blood pressure, or any other number of debilitating boat picture induced coma's.

Mask the area to be drilled to help stop any spidering of the gelcoat. - also, it's sort of like blind folding your boat so she doesn't know whats about to happen until it's already over.

Reverse your drill and run it slowly allowing the backside of the bit to burn through the exterior gelcoat - then turn the drill the right direction to drill the actual hole (if that made sense lol). Run both directions at a mild pace and check the shavings for moisture etc. (one of my holes actually had water run out... this may be normal but I panicked immediately )

Have some 3M marine adhesive handy (just don't buy a semi expired tube of it like i did - It wouldn't come out with my gun, so I had to slice the side of it and dip it out.. man was that messy.. but it worked and was only $2.00 for a big tube of 4200 and 5200)

Have a pair of pliers, a flat screw driver, a small handsaw, a utility knife, and some stainless staples and a stapler handy in case you have to go all Dexter and cut back any of the bunks on your trailer. (I had to cut two of my bunks so they were flush with the transom - if not they may have interfered with the Smart Tab's when loading/unloading).

Also, have a cooler with your favorite beverage on standbye - not because the installation will take long... but because you'll want to have a cold one while you admire your handy work.. and possibly one of the single best mods you'll ever do to your beloved Mariah!

Thanks (sarcasm)..there I was all prepared with tools at the ready, now I'm reaching for some jumbo towels to wipe the sweat off. I think I need another coffee LOL...I'll post my results a pic of my handiwork later on my first attempt to breach the hull :sweat:

nglauer 06-08-2013 02:15 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhinoz (Post 45044)
Thanks (sarcasm)..there I was all prepared with tools at the ready, now I'm reaching for some jumbo towels to wipe the sweat off. I think I need another coffee LOL...I'll post my results a pic of my handiwork later on my first attempt to breach the hull :sweat:

LOL... it'll be okay.. once you poke her once, you'll be okay with poking her a few more times lol

rhinoz 06-08-2013 02:31 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
Not even gonna go there with an answer to that, I'd get banned from here LOL

nglauer 06-08-2013 02:34 PM

Re: porpoising z210
 
True... well... we will let you get back to screwing bwahaha. But seriously.. use that tape for protection :O


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:20 PM.