New member, about to buy a Z202...
 

Hello all, I'm hoping to become a member of a Mariah soon! I just learned about Mariah's when I came across this boat for sale.

1995 MARIAH Shabah Z202 For Sale In Danville, Virginia - BoatTrader.com

I did some research on it and found out a little about the company. When I saw the boat, I feel in love with it. It's dirty, and needs a good waxing, but other than that, it's perfect. The marina is selling it for a lady. Her husband died and she's trying to get rid of the boat. The good news is the dealer has been maintaining that boat since it was new. They know the bellows and gimbal bearings were replaced a couple of years ago. I looked around and couldn't find any soft spots at all. It looks solid, although, rot is still a concern of mine being that it's 16 years old. There is an panel under the passenger glove box where the fire bottle is that's come loose. The marina said they would fix it for me.

They are also going to do a compression check, start it up, check the outdrive and basically look over the boat. There is an access panel in the floor that's screwed down. I want them to open that up and see what the hull and stringers look like. The boat has been covered it's entire life (dry lift), and it shows.

I also managed to have them included a tandem axle trailer for that price. Do you think that's a fair price including the trailer?

Anyway, I'm really hoping that everything checks out. From what I've read, these are awesome boats and that they were made well. Spring can't get here soon enough.

I've got some reading to do! I just thought I'd say hello.

Steve

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It looks like you found a nice boat and are taking all the needed precautions. I didnt see engine hours? But all in all that sounds like a very fair price including the galv. trailer.

I too am VERY anxious for spring. I am a pretty new Mariah owner and cannot wait to get her out of my garage and on the water.

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It's got 406 hours.

I had a very nice 19 ft Larson bowrider with a 4.3 Volvo. Great boat. Sold it because we thought we were going to be moving, but now it looks like we are staying here for a while.

My wife was the one who suggested we get another boat....how cool is that!

Anyway, I love that this is not your normal Bayliner or even Sea Ray. Nothing wrong with them, I just like having something not common.

It just needs to be so cold so I can actually go down there and buy the thing!

Steve

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I'd go and eat my lunch in it in thier showroom and buy it! My wife enjoys the boat too, and my son thinks that its his. It great to have a family that enjoys the water.

400 hours isnt bad at all, mine has 360 and shows very little wear. I too rescently sold my latest Bayliner and was determined to not even look at a Bayliner when searching. I was just lucky to find the boat I did at the right time. I had her out twice in very cold Fall weather and just absolutly loved the ride. These boats are very well put together.

GO GET IT

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That's good to hear. What do you have? What kind of performance can I expect from this thing? Top speed, good cruising speed, fuel burn?

I've read that it's a smooth ride. Our Larson was pretty rough.

One more question, we are going to need a bimini top, or convertible top (I'm not sure what the difference is). Something to allow us to get out of the sun during the day. Any idea where to get one?

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I have a 94 Z212, very similar to yours, you can see pictures in the gallery under my year and my name and boat.

The last owner had taken off some of the middle graphics as you can see from my little pic by my name, compared to the old ones in the gallery, and I think it looks better without.

I have not even been able to burn enough fuel to make the guage move, but she does move on the water well. I think my top speed was over 60, but it seemed to rev very high. Its nice cruising speed seemed to be around 40. I need to get her out and really do some good investigative running in order to see if the prop is right come spring.I sure she will be thirsty, but absolutely no disappointment on performance. Waves are smooth as butter with this hull design and weight combo.

I do not have a bimini either, the previous(original) owner had taken it off and its gone, I can see the screw holes in the window frame to indicate it existed but no hardware came with the boat. I may try and build one, with the aid of an upholstery guy, but here in the Northwest for the most part when the sun does come out, we like to get every ounce possible. So I may use the 800 - 1000 on something else. I think bimini and convertible are the same, just a simple frame designed for shade for the main cockpit area. West Marine has all the fittings and poles needed (minus the fabric) or just have the local boat upholstery shop put one together.

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Looks like a nice boat! I too think you should GO GET IT!!

A bimini top is the type that you can stand under the entire thing. A convertible top is one where the front of it attaches to the windshield and is generally too short to stand under. Bimini's are much more popular now, but the convertible provides a lot more protection if you don't have the full camper enclosure of the bimini.

Good luck and keep us posted!

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The price sounds right to me too. Looks like a nice find.

A convertible top attaches to the windshield.
http://www.theboatcenter.biz/images/1065D0710.jpg

A bimini is up high so you can stand up under it.
http://www.bimini.stores100best.com/boat%20bimini.jpg

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Looks nice! I would guess it to be around $7000 this time of year. If it all checks out and everything works then it would be a great boat. I would guess your top speed to be about 55mph with a light load and calmer water. Good luck!

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I would go get it right now but I can't find a stinking trailer! The marina said they thought they could get a great deal on a nice tandem trailer, but there is a title issue. So, I've been looking for a trailer. There are NO TRAILERS in this area! The best I found is a single axle trailer for $1400 from a marina. And he said he would make sure it had good tires and the surge brakes worked. I'm considering it, but I really wanted to stay under $1000.

Here's my question, I know the weight of this boat is somewhere around 3,000 lbs. Is a 3,500 lb gross trailer weight enough?

I've actually e-mailed a few people on craigslist in my area who are selling junk boats for $2000 with the trailer. I'm thinking if I have to, I'll make sure the trailer is good, and the engine is good, then I'll part out the engine and out drive and anything else I can. It's a lot of work though.

I WANT THIS MARIAH! I just need to figure out the trailer situation. Another problem is the marina said the lady who owns the boat will sell it for no less than $7500 with no trailer. So, if I have to get a trailer on my own, I could easily end up having $9000 into this boat including a trailer.

That's $1000 more than I wanted to spend.

Anyway, I appreciate the comments. Glad you like the boat! I'll keep you posted.

Thank you again,
Steve

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Most reputable dealers will have a "connection" of some sort to obtain a trailer. I'd leave it up to them, make them do the work and earn their commission. As far as the seller "taking no less than ____"... yeah... I've heard that before.

I'd do this - make a written offer (with check for down payment or in full, whatever your situation) for $7000 or $7500, with the stipulation of the dealer providing a solid trailer in good condition. This way, the dealer will do the hard work of finding one, and negotiate the selling price, commission, trailer cost, etc between them and the seller. I wouldn't worry myself with all the details of how to get a trailer, or that the seller wants a certain amount of $... I'd just lay it out there and let the seller and dealer fight over how to make it happen.

NADA lists this boat worth $6245, so I'd try not going much over $7000 with a trailer. You also gotta remember, it's winter, and the dealer/seller probably don't have buyers beating down their doors. Reference NADA, the fact that it's winter, it's 16 years old, there's no matching trailer, etc. Don't let them know you "love" it... only that you "like" it!! :)

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You know, you are right. I am comfortable with $8000 if that includes a trailer. Them knowing the history since new is worth a lot to me. Not to say there wont be problems, its an old boat. You are right though, they can get a trailer cheaper than I can.

I hate that I fell in love with this boat.....costs me money :-)

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hahaha.. get used to that!

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Hi Guy,

I bought the same boat two years ago. It's a great boat. The pictures of your boat are clean. That is a plus. You also have the 350, mine is only a 5.0. I can get about 50mph out of mine, but I have a High-Five prop for water sports. If I had a 3 blade I'm sure it would do much more.

If you can, wave some cash around at this lady. She probably wants 7500 because there will be a commission charge to the marina. I would pay the $7500 with a trailer included. No trailer and the price seems a little high to me. Keep in mind there will be other Mariahs out there. Boats aren't flying off the shelf right now. People will deal, you just have to be patient. I'm not sure where you live, but you should look north. Most boats for sale in the midwest come with a trailer. You could drive up and pick one up.

Danny

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Check this out. Here's what I'm thinking. Again, assuming the Mariah checks out, this Maxum doesn't look too bad. Here's what I'm thinking, wave $1000 in cash in front of his face and see if he takes it. If he does, I'll try and sell the boat for, I don't know, say $1000....and keep the trailer!

I'm trying to get this Mariah!

1995 Maxum runabout

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Wow, thats a great price for that combo. The boat doesnt look bad at all, in fact Id unbolt the swip platform and mount it on the Mariah, the trailer looks like it would be the right one.

Make it so.

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Seems like you've got a pretty good idea. With any luck that Maxum just needs the carb cleaned or something simple.
I think the swim platform is integrated (cool feature, especially for that era).

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We'll see, still haven't heard back from him. Maxum's are pretty decent boats, right? Maybe if I clean it up and get it running, it'll sell quickly, as long as the engine, outdrive, and floor are decent.

Any guess if it's a Merc, Volvo, or OMC? He says it's a GM 5.0.

Steve

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I haven't been on a Maxum but there are a few around here and from a distance I'd say they are on par with like Sting Ray and maybe Chaparral. Hard to say for sure on that motor but when I read it Merc is what I automatically assumed. You got me curious so I clicked around on a few for sale and they all had Mercs.

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That's what I'm thinking also. I can't believe I haven't heard back from anyone. The maxum guy or even the Mariah marina.

So, who knows.
Steve

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Well guys, I'm getting closer! A couple of days ago, I bought a junk boat and trailer for $800. I sold the boat to the Marina for $350 for basically just the engine. Now I have a dual axle trailer for $450! Of course it needs work. I'm a little worried about the max weight of the trailer. The tires are rated at 1045lbs each. I'm going to pull the bearings and see what size they are. There are charts on Iboats that'll tell me the gross weight of each axle. It does have surge brakes on one axle. The tires are 12", a little small, but I think they will be OK.

Here's the boat:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...-32-42_894.jpg

Here's the trailer:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...-19-41_867.jpg

I've got some work to do. I'm going to get new wheels and tires, brakes, new rollers, recover the bunks, new wiring and LED lights, winch is OK, just needs a new strap. I'm also going to paint the trailer.

I want to replace the winch mount. It's ugly as hell. I'm hoping to be able to find a universal mount for cheap.

I figure I'm going to have about $1200 tops into this trailer total. I figure it's not bad considering the best I was able to do was $1200 for a trailer that needed about the same work this one needs.

The marina told me I should lower the bottom rollers, and move the outside bunks inward by several inches. That should get it close to the shape of the Mariah, then they will make the final adjustments when they lower the Mariah onto the trailer.

The marina is getting ready for a boat show and doesn't have time to go through the Mariah and service it for me before I buy it. That's fine though, they took the old boat as a deposit, and he isn't advertising it anymore. This will give me time to fix up the trailer.

I figure I'll have this trailer as good as new, and it'll be good to go for many years to come. I'm planning on taking the boat to Charlotte several times, 3.5 hours of highway, so I want this trailer reliable and safe.

I'll keep one of my old wheels and tires as a spare, try to sell the rest for $25 or something.

I figure I'll have about $8300 into the boat and the fixed up trailer. That's not bad considering the trailer is going to be practically brand new.

I'm getting closer to being a Mariah owner!

Steve