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275 and 302 mid cabin questions
Hey guys, I currently own a Z250 Cuddy cabin. I recently just found out Mariah made a few mid cabin open bow versions and the idea is really appealing to me. I may spend the night on the lake 2 or 3 times and would like the extra seating of an open bow.
I'm 6'1 and the GF is 5'8. Just how much room is in these things? Is it enough for two people to sleep on over night a few times a year? The other question would be, Currently mine has a 7.4 liter and it seems to cruise down the lake at a decent speed. I'm guessing the 275 and 302 a roughly 5-10 mph slower respectively. Should I look for something with a 496 or 502? I'd really like to keep the top speed above 50+ If not Mariah, can anyone suggest any other makes models with mid cabin open bow. Looking to keep it between the 20-30k range. Thanks for any input !! |
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I've got the z302 and as a 6'4" guy I fit with room to spare as far as sleeping in the mid cabin very comfortably
As far as your 50+ mph question. I have the Volvo 8.2 gsi (502) In mine and my best gps speed has been 61mph but loaded people, gear, drinks, fresh water tanks full, ect. Is 58 on normal days 1' chop, on the water rough 50ish. I run mine WOT most of the time as we run from cove to cove. Love hearing those horses sing and on rough water day teaching her how to fly :) Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD |
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I have a 302 as well. though wine was originally equipped with the 7.4 MPI (310 hp) it would only do 43 on the best day. Im in the middle of a motor upgrade. +.030, 10.2:1, hp500 cam, Magnum intake system. by all accounts it should be around 425-450 hp, with 750 more RPMs to rev limit. Ive already stepped up from 24-26p props, next are 28p's. Im shooting for anything above 50 mph.
Im 6'0" and there is plenty of room to sleep below with the filler cushions in place. My son and I do it each year. |
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Sceptre,
I'm on this forum because I'm going to get one of those two boats! I love the layout, keep abreast of every one for sale in the country. There are some other MCOB (mid-cabin open bow) type boats out there, but most are significantly more: Ebbtide 2600 or 2700 Cuddy Bowrider - Typically $40-70k ('05 - '06 range). There is one on boat trader right now for $35k (Used 2005 Ebbtide 2600, Stafford, Va - 22554 - BoatTrader.com). Caravelle Boats 240 Mid Cabin Bowrider ("99-01?) - Didn't look like many were made, can't find them for sale very often. (https://my.boatus.com/forum/forum_po...ID=55837&PN=44) Monterey 298 - http://www.boattest.com/boats/boat_video.aspx?ID=200. There is one for sale now for $45k: 2003 Monterey 298 Super Sport Bow Rider for Sale - iboats.com 1269653 Sunsation 288 Envision 29' - 29' Envision COMBO DLX MID CABIN BOW RIDER Power Boat in , - Boat Gallery Campion Allante 705i - Newer, I believe this is a Canadian company. One for sale now for $60k - 2008 Campion Allante 705i Bowrider Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com Nordic Heat Open Bow - 2007 Nordic 28 Heat Open Bow Mid Cabin powerboat for sale in Arizona There is one other that I looked at, it is an early to mid-90's Wellcraft, the Eclipse 232. It has a small cuddy on the side, there have been a few for sale near me (Minneapolis area), and were inexpensive. After looking at a couple, they are not in very good shape and the more I read about the issues with these Wellcrafts, I decided to stay away. They were in the $6-8000 range for a '93, '96, etc. There are some other California boats (like the Ebbtide) but they are not the type of boat I was looking for, and made in such small numbers I wasn't interested. Now, there is one other Mariah, the Z245STC (some pics in the gallery here). I can't find any of those for sale, must have been very limited quantity, maybe only 2001? I'd be interested in that boat. In Red. ~bluelakeside |
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Wow thanks for all the info guys.
That's good to hear about the mid cabin size on the 302's. I recently sold a 32ft scarab and after running the 25ft mariah last summer I'm really missing the smooth ride of the scarab. I'm really leaning towards a 302. The one on ebay in Texas is super nice, but a starting bid of 33.5k seems a bit high to me. It is a clean boat though... And it sounds like the 502 is where i wanted to be as far as speed. I'm guessing cruise speed is 2800 rpm's @ about 38-40 mph? |
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Mine cruises with the 26p props at around 3000 and 32-34 mph.
If your that interested, Id sell ya mine after Im done with the upgrades Im doing now for $35k |
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Formula is now on the bandwagon too for MCOB. Seems that Mariah was well ahead of the game with the 275 and 302!
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There was a post on here a few days ago about Challenger boats, I think Oregon posted the link. They make their version of the 302 off of the original Mariah form.
Mariah also has a 24' version of the mid cabin. I think they are 2002 model year. I want to say there was a post on MOC about them and there were only like 16 made... I might be way off in that number but they came with the big block. Just a cool tid bit I guess. |
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Challenger went belly up in like 2008
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I saw some pics of those Challengers and they were so tacky and ugly! It was hard to believe they did that to a 302 mold!
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The very last ones they did very well
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The first two years were made from left over parts
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Well at least they went out on a positive note then. :)
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Did you see the prices on those Challengers? Holy cow! Brand new they are way out of my price range....
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yeah...I think the FPS 302 was like $135K + and other then a few flashy goodies, they were basically the same boat.
I saw a 2008 for sale about 6 months ago. the guy wanted $75k. I think new, my 302 sold for upper $90k |
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Didn't Challenger do some 302's with a twin setup???
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yes they did. even more rare
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Here's a link to the molds and what he has: Challenger Molds I contacted him previously about the dash and other part molds, but he was only interested in selling the full boat molds in a set. Andyb, here's the link to the Z302 with twins. It's one of the only ones I've ever seen. (scroll to bottom post on page) http://www.mariahownersclub.com/foru...-seen-one.html |
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I'm picking up a 2000 302z finally. Any known issues on the 302's i should look for before I make the final transaction?
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Look it over closely for lack of maintenance issues. At about 500 hours the gamble ring gets sloppy on all boats.
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Yes, the 302 has had a major running issue for years. The issue is best described as a mix of jealousy and envy. LOL
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any problem areas for stringer rot or transom rot?
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Congrats! You will love it. I have the baby brother version, the 275, and it is awesome.
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I've got a 2000 and other then my lust for upgrades nothing has failed
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What upgrades are you wishing for?
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Sceptre,
Which 302 did you buy? Was it one for sale on one of the big sites (ebay, iboats, craigslist, boat trader)? Check out this link for Oregon's list of upgrades - you'll get just a bit jealous: http://bit.ly/14ErfVu ~bluelakeside |
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Let's keep in mind that Oregondunes's modifications are all personal preference. He's customizing the boat to fit his specific needs, and props to him for tackling such a huge project.
The boat in it's stock form and configuration has made many people very happy for many years. |
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Can't really think of anything I would change. It still has the original GPS. But I never go on the Ocean so its really a mute point for me. At some point I'll probably swap TV's for a nice LED. But other then that, I really can't think of anything. From what I've been reading you really need to throw some serious money at it to get her in the mid to low 60's. And the Bravo 3's are only rated for 500hp I think. Mid 50's will have to do.
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Where does the porta potty fit on these boats?
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Under the open bow floor accessed from the mid cabin
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gotcha, Didn't realize that the space under that floor was that big.
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It's not , but just big enough
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If the boat I'm buying doesnt have one, is there anywhere that one could be ordered?
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They are sold all over the place. Even Walmart carries them. There are different sizes depending on what you need. Just measure your opening to make sure it fits before you buy one!
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Anyone have any pics of their silent choice exhaust setup on the 302? I'm just wondering how the pipes are run etc...
The 454 that came with the boat is toast, But I've bought a 502 long block to dump in. From what I've read it looks like all the 454 dressings will fit on the 502 with the exception that I may need to flash the ECM. IF anyone has any info please on this time of a motor swap feel free to send it my way. |
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