Battery operated hatch pt. II
 

Hi everyone. Last Saturday I officially became the new owner of a '95 Mariah Z200 Talari. I'm very excited, I feel like I made good buy as the boat has been always been stored inside and only has 118 hours! I have a problem though and need some advice... The previous owner disconnected and removed the power hatch rams (for some reason) and told me they worked. I decided to to give them a try. Seemed pretty simple to make the connections. After I made the connections, I had to extend them to get them to full length so that I could attach them to the hatch. They worked for several seconds and then they suddenly stopped. It appeared that one ram was extending faster than the other. Either way, I can no longer extend or retract them... Also, I discovered that the power seat is no longer functioning... I assume that these two items are on the same bus. I checked the circuit breakers and they are all closed.

Any ideas?

I looked for in line fuses and didn't come up with anything. I'll check for continuity with a DVM and let you know.

Thanks!

FWIW - Had this problem and found a block of fuses underneath my steering wheel dash (94 Talari Z220). The fuse in question was not blown, but must have been corroded as it looked old and, well, corroded. I replaced it and all worked perfect.

I thought the symptom was odd in that the lifts still had some power - more on one side than the other. I would have thought they either work or don't.

Thanks dharby. That's interesting... I'm glad to know that someone else has experienced this as well. I'll replace some fuses and let you know what I come up with.

Adam, you'll find that corrosion is one of the most common issues with a Mariah. Most things never actually stop working, the contacts get corroded, and they just need to be cleaned and put back together. For some reason, the contacts weren't sealed very good at the factory. :)

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Welcome Adam

Two weeks ago I purchased a 94 Talari 200Z, also stored inside but with 170 fishing hours. You learn something new every post you read. I figured since mine was a Z that it would have the power hatch. I went down and checked again but dont see any application on her. What is the nonemcalture on your switch.
good luck on you trouble shooting
Brian

My boat came with it from the factory, but for some reason it was removed by the previous owner. Wiring's still there, as is the switch. The switch is usually labeled "Hatch" and has a diagram that looks like a 45 degree angle drawing...

On what are you basing your figuring? I was originally under the impression mine was a Z as well b/c it has Z202 etched on the side glass, but as it turns out my Shabah is missing all the "power" features which were standard in the Z model (power seat, hatch, LED display, wiper, defogger etc.)

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
 

Hi

Well my Talari has the Z200 on the Glass also. Has the power seat, wiper, defogger, and other items associated with the Z package but just not the hatch. Also mine does not have dual captains chairs, the passenger side has the back to back fold down style. Only two seats in the rear and smaller sun deck on the back.

Interesting,
Brian

Don't know that I would want a power hatch.

I'm not patient enough to wait for it to raise! :)

Hey Paul,

I got some Low-rider friends who could hook you up with some hydro-lifts and get that hatch open really quick!! :wink_thumbup:

Just make sure there's no one on the Sunpad when you open it or it's "Houston, we have a launch!" :yes_grin: :very_evil: :yes_grin:

WetWilly

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hi guys

My Z252 Shabah has the power hatch disconnected, with two gas struts in its place, i think the preivious owner disconected it to fit a battery power switch in the motor compartment. i would like to refit the power lift , but wondering how to refit the battery power switch in a better position , so i can switch on from the boat deck instead of lifting the hatch first

Ed Cossey :confused:

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Hey WetWilly

thanks for the info, sounds good. i think I'll let you be my boat guru

Ed :wink_thumbup:

Well, my sundeck power lift problem was fixed for about a year (stopped working last year, found a corroded fuse). Now I have a strange occurence where one of the two lifts stops working - and after the boat sitting for a while, starts working again.?

When I could see one side working and not the other, I flipped up the seat and pulled the tube out that way. The next morning I went out to work on it and both lifts worked perfectly. 2 weeks later - after rewiring the connections by the lift - the same sequence of events. I don't think it is the switch as I tried it MANY times (seeking a bad switch connection). It's almost as if it trips a breaker - which is reset after a good night's sleep :).

Any tips?

Power Hatch Lift
 

Hi Guys
appologies for my absence, but my wife had an operation and has been a pain in the a*** but she's better now, I posted some questions about Power Hatch lifts a while ago, my Z252 has had it disconected and Gas struts put in place, i wanted to put the power lift back, but this ment moving the battery switch from under the engine compartment, after reading the latest postings i think the gas struts are the better option, a bit of muscle won't hurt and could be easier than trying to lift the hatch if i get a flat battery, also the thought that the circuit breaker could fail would be a pain. it's great to see all the pins on the member map. if we get many more members in the States the map would need to be enlarged.

i have not seen my boat since March and getting a bit broody, but i will be in florida for a month in july and i will for shure put plenty of hours on her

all the best
Ed Cossey (sonny boy) :wink_thumbup:

Hi Ed,

While you're having fun with your Mariah, make sure to get some snap shots and put them on the galley for the rest of us to admire!

Funny but our Z240 didn't come with a power lift, so I replaced the current gas shocks with a fresh set of 120lb gas shocks off of eBay (Great price, I highly recommend the seller). What a difference, it still takes a little effort to initially open the hatch but after that it's a lot easier and a little past half way, it goes up by itself and stays there, cool!

WetWilly

wetwilly.....can you give more details and perhaps some pics of your lift. I may scrap my power lifts if they give me too many fits - and I'm guessing my 94 z220 deck is similar weight (which is h-e-a-v-y!). The ebay seller name? size lifts? where they are mounted?

thks

Check out this thread. It's our Mariah Parts List.

Mariah Parts List

It has the info for the shocks and the electric lifters as well.

my boat didn't go slow but they would intermittently quit working. So I took apart the connections on the lift motors and cleaned them and took pliers and squeezed the terminals together to tighten them back up and haven't had any problems since. It was about a year ago

Battery Operated Hatch
 

Thanks Stowaway

I stripped the Motor Down and found the bearings had seized
after a bit of TLC with a screwdriver, WD 40, and some brute force i freed the bearings cleaned them and coated them with grease fixed it all up and tested it on the car battery and the lift worked fine, I then rushed down to my Shabah connected it up and found i now have no juice from the switch to the terminal connector, i've looked for a fuse or pop out but cant find one for the hatch motor, i have no wiring details for my boat so now im stumped again, anyone got any ideas, :shakehead:

Ed Cossey

Re: Battery operated hatch pt. II
 

I just purchased a 95 Z220 Talari. Mine, too, had the lifts removed. I do have them, but 1 is not working. I had considered gas lifts to eliminate the hassle with the electric lifts. I would appreciate more information or pictures of the gas lifts installed. Has anyone simplified the battery access on these?

Jere

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Ouch, sorry dharby for letting this one slide by... I think this was what you were looking for (click here and scroll down to the 5th post).

As for the eBay seller, I don't remember who it was, but I have dealt with this one particular seller on different occasions for my boating needs and they have always delivered - Great Lakes Skipper. They carry the gas shocks and other items like the brackets too.

Again, sorry,
WetWilly

Re: Battery operated hatch pt. II
 

Thanks. This really helps. Were the safety straps from the factory? Mine does not have these. This definitely looks more simple. Any problems with the strut mounts? It looks like there would be a lot of pressure at the mounting points. I noticed it looks like you have a sheet of plywood over the engine. Is there a benefit gained by this. Do you have any tips on oil changes? Do you drain it through the hull or is there a pan that will fit in the compartment to catch the oil?

Thanks

Jere

Re: Battery operated hatch pt. II
 

Hi Jere,

No,not factory, I added them for a little more piece of mind. Like I said before, don't want to have the Sunpad pop open when towing or flying across the lake :eek_animated:

So far I haven't had any problems with the strut mounts, the Fiberglass seems to be pretty thick in the corners so the screws got a good bit and so far, seem to be holding tight.

The plywood shelf is supposed to be there but the original was missing when we bought her. I have some material and insulation that I will be using to cover it and make it look and perform as intended. Advantage of the shelf - little more storage room as long as heat doesn't bother what ever your storing on the shelf (right over the motor) and it adds a considerable amount of sound dampening.

For the older Mercruisers, oil is sucked out via the dipstick tube with a pump. New Mercruisers have an oil drain tube attached to the bottom of the oil pan and sits in the bilge. You pull it out through the transom drain, remove the plug and out comes the oil. I haven't inquired about this setup for the older Mercruisers as I cant get to the oil pan drain plug easily (too much motor, too little space :D).

Well I hope this answers your questions, if you have any more, fire away when ready!

WetWilly

Re: Battery operated hatch pt. II
 

Thanks, again for all your help. I like the clean look of the struts and that they do not take up much space. It also seems like the electric jacks are a continuing problem. I bet the Big Block does take up a bit of space in the engine compartment. She must really pull strong with that set-up. Did you replace the hinges on your hatch? Mine has a piano style which goes all the way across, but yours look stronger.

Jere

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Thanks. I may check for a part number on those. The piano hinges, on mine, screw into the end and are starting to pull out on a few screws. It looks like your mounting is much stronger.

Jere

Re: Battery operated hatch pt. II
 

Hi all, I have a 1994 Z220 Talari my hatch motors work very very slow. I disassembled them as much as possible and
checked the motors, connected them to my 12V. battery. They seem to work fine. I took apart the screw drives and they were rusted up, so I cleaned them and greased them. Hooked them to the battery and worked like new. NOW the problem. Put them back in the boat and hooked them up and they were so slow I drank four beers. Then I disconnected them from the hatch thinking the hatch was too heavy and they were still like turtles. Could the switch be the problem? I pulled the switch and it wasn't corroded. I must not be getting the full 12 volts to the motors. One runs slower than the other. Any thoughts?

Re: Battery operated hatch pt. II
 

Could be voltage drops in either the wiring or the switch.

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I have heard factory actuators are very slow. I ordered a new one (my jubilee has one actuator and one lift assist cylinder) off amazon made by progressive automations model was PA-04-16-100 and they are marine grade and very quick. They have many sizes as well. $159...