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Bdbwtie 06-29-2016 01:32 AM

99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
So I just bought this boat. As stated its a 99 Sabbath 202 with the 5.0 Alpha one. I know the bilge is on a float, im curious if it needs the battery selector switch in the on position or will it still function in the off position.

My second question is how often should the bilge run, being to often? Ive noticed while anchored at the sandbar it was pumping maybe twice in 4 hours. There was half a dozen hoping on and off the rear of the boat in that time. Everytime ive looked into the engine compartment there is minimal water. And Ive looked for it coming in but haven't seen anything. When the bilge ran these 2 times it pumped out quite a lot of water. I was loading the boat the second time the bilge went off. Then proceded to pull the drain plug, which dumped water for a minuteish. Were is all this water when looking into the engine compartment?

Would it be safe to leave in the water overnight this weekend if the bilge is wired to the battery? or wont the battery last that long

Brian Belcher 06-29-2016 02:31 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Can't tell you what to do and some on here will differ in opinion but my opinion of the bilge pump is for preventing a disaster and there for you to get it on the trailer. Like I said, others opinions may be the opposite.
I'd bet your water is coming from the either the gimbal pin seal or the bellows.
With the boat on the trailer, try turning the outdrive from side to side. Is it tight or is it greeing turning right and left by a foot or more ? You can see the gimbal pin, kinda, and look for the slop between it and the gimbal ring.
If it's tight, then the area to look is the bellows.

On the trailer, put the plug in and start filling the boat up with water. Just enough so you can see it in the bootom of the engine compartment. Now, climb under neath and look for leaks out of any scuppers, if you have any.

Try looking inside the outdrive at the bellows. Look for any obvious tears or breaks.

Bdbwtie 07-01-2016 05:31 PM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Upon further review. I have a torn shift linkage boot. I also noticed the bung for the drain plug is leaking. Can the Bung be easily removed and resealed? It's just 3 Philups screws. There is also a couple hairline cracks spreading out from drain plug in hull. This gonna be an issue?

Brian Belcher 07-01-2016 08:05 PM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
The drain is absolutely changeable. Easy? Don't know. I would image there is sealant around it and it is set hard.
The glass work is beyond me.

pllevine 07-02-2016 12:05 PM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
My drain bung had to be changed out for a new one. I took out the three Phillips Head screws and the old Bing came right out. I cleaned out the hole, ran a seal of 4200 around it, and put the new one right on (brass, of course).... It was the easiest thing that I did on my 202.


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Hunter12345 07-04-2016 03:40 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Belcher (Post 59499)
Can't tell you what to do and some on here will differ in opinion but my opinion of the bilge pump is for preventing a disaster and there for you to get it on the trailer. Like I said, others opinions may be the opposite.

I'd bet your water is coming from the either the gimbal pin seal or the bellows.

With the boat on the trailer, try turning the outdrive from side to side. Is it tight or is it greeing turning right and left by a foot or more ? You can see the gimbal pin, kinda, and look for the slop between it and the gimbal ring.

If it's tight, then the area to look is the bellows.



On the trailer, put the plug in and start filling the boat up with water. Just enough so you can see it in the bootom of the engine compartment. Now, climb under neath and look for leaks out of any scuppers, if you have any.



Try looking inside the outdrive at the bellows. Look for any obvious tears or breaks.



Good answer, doesn't hurt to do this just as a preventative check once in a while!


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Firestone 07-04-2016 03:53 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Good thoughts!

Firestone - 2000 Mariah Z202 5.7L MAG Alpha I Gen II

Bdbwtie 07-06-2016 02:18 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Well being able to replace the drain bung is the best news! Im wondering if anyone has any tips on how to dial in where the water leak would be coming from? I saw the tear in the shift bellow, of which none looked to fair. I dunked the back end of the boat at the ramp and crawled in the engine compartment, and cant see sh#$. Gotta love the false wall, but it was a pretty fast trickle and as much as I could tell it seemed to be towards the upper drivers side of the transom. So Is there more that can leak besides bellows and cable boots? How do you know forsure your fixing the right part. I obviously plan on replacing all the bellows, gimbal, and shift cables/boots while im in there. But is there more farther in that can cause a leak? Is it trial and error at this point, fix that stuff and hope it doesn't leak again?

sodusmariah 07-28-2016 01:45 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Had a shifter cable bellows tear sink a boat overnite. Moving the out drive up to trailer will make it worse

Firestone 07-28-2016 02:27 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Not sure of it is applicable in this case but I have heard people fill the boat up with water while on the trailer to locate leaks as well. I did it this year to also make sure the bilge pump was working at peak performance.

Bdbwtie 07-29-2016 12:36 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Yea I wasn't chancing the torn shift bellow. So I replaced all the bellows, gambrel bearing, Shift cable, fresh water tube, gear oil tube, gear oil thru hull fitting, fresh water thru hull fitting and bushing. What a pain in the butt. That is not something I want to do again, especially the thru hull fittings.

But yet I still get water from somewhere. It is not coming from the transom anymore, Im 100% positive on that. Its not a lot of water, maybe a 1/2 to a quart after being on the water most of the day. Not enough to show water in the engine bay area, must just be in the lower area. I do know that I took this water on, because I had the boat parked on a steep incline with no plug for a day or so to make sure it was dry before putting it in the water. I do have a couple of knicks in the gell coat below water line. I had these spots checked though and was told they wouldn't take on water. So Unless there is something I cant see under the trailer bunks I have no idea

Firestone 07-29-2016 12:43 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Wow lots of work being a shade mechanic I am impressed. 1/2 quart is not that bad. I get more than that from my skiier coming in off the water.

pllevine 07-30-2016 04:23 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
As far as that first question, my boat is a year older than yours and the same model. The bilge pump float switch is wired hot to one of my batteries. There is a bilge pump manual override on the dash to turn it on without the float switch activation.
One of the first things that I did was install a dual battery system and take that single battery on/off off of the engine cover wall. I countersunk the new 1-off-2-all switch on the right side through the fiberglass.
Let me see if I can find a photo.....



1998 202 Shabah 5.0L Alpha 1

Firestone 07-30-2016 04:31 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Pllevine, I would like to see it. I am looking at doing the same as a winter project on my boat.

pllevine 07-30-2016 04:32 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
I'm looking.... The switch that I used was a LOT smaller than the one that Mariah put in - same manufacturer - but it had an option to countersink it


1998 202 Shabah 5.0L Alpha 1

pllevine 07-30-2016 04:55 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
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1998 202 Shabah 5.0L Alpha 1

pllevine 07-30-2016 04:56 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Found the photos.... First thing I did when I bought it.....


1998 202 Shabah 5.0L Alpha 1

Firestone 07-30-2016 05:14 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Wow that looks great! I really do not like it on the engine cover right now with all the wires you can't take it off to get to the engine. Does the 2nd battery really help? Mine seams to do fine

pllevine 07-30-2016 05:17 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
I think it does help.... but I also upgraded the stereo from the stock one to a 600W Sony system with six speakers and two subwoofers

pllevine 07-30-2016 05:21 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Like I said, the seats and upholstery are the real issue with my 202, but the engine/outdrive will push it to high 40's to low 50's with a 19 degree pitch prop, the audio system even does bluetooth handsfree phone, and every gauge and light works. Even have subdued LED lighting inside the side pockets. And VHF/GPS and a chart-plotter

Firestone 07-30-2016 05:22 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Nice! I just have so many projects on this boat to get the electrical back to 100% it can be hard prioritizing them. But this one looks like a must have 1st step. Thanks for the pictures!

Bdbwtie 07-30-2016 04:27 PM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pllevine (Post 60134)
I'm looking.... The switch that I used was a LOT smaller than the one that Mariah put in - same manufacturer - but it had an option to countersink it


1998 202 Shabah 5.0L Alpha 1

Would you have a wiring diagram on how you added the second battery. Really like the smaller switch and wouldn't mind adding another battery

Firestone 07-30-2016 05:23 PM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
2nd that!

pllevine 07-31-2016 02:54 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Adding the second battery is pretty easy. First, the ground cables are daisy chained from battery negative to battery negative. Next, the battery switch has a terminal for the positive battery cable #1, positive battery cable #2, and the terminal to the boat power feed (used to be the positive cable from the "single battery system".
That's about it..... Simple.... And the switch comes with good documentation.


1998 202 Shabah 5.0L Alpha 1

Firestone 07-31-2016 03:21 AM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
What brand/model did you use? Any reason?

pllevine 07-31-2016 03:33 AM

99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Blue Sea Systems Micro battery switch.... I think it's a 6000 series. They also have an automatic charge relay too (ACR).....


1998 202 Shabah 5.0L Alpha 1

Brian Belcher 08-04-2016 04:03 PM

Re: 99 sabath 202 bilge wired directly to battery? Taking on to much water?
 
Another place for water entry is a leaky exhaust tube inside the boat. It is all held together with hose clamps.


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